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News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Inscrutable » October 28th, 2011, 5:24 pm

Hi folks.

Around an hour ago, Bukkit's ph33rless leader Warren posted onto all of Drakia's plugin threads and locked them.
Apparently he doesn't like people posting (unspecified content) that allegedly "helps get around a ban".

I have read the Bukkit Terms-Of-Service. They are astonishingly vague, and couched in terms of "whatever we do, live with it".
Apparently they really give carte-blanche to Admins, and the rest of us can just shut up.
I wish they had the courage and intelligence to write a more serviceable TOS.

I really can't understand why Seph is such a control freak at present. He does not have the time for this,
and he's NOT a good site Admin (I know what one does look like, I've been on the net >20 years).
This is the equivalent of a Public Beheading. It attracts the WORST kind of spectator, and also pickpockets.
In this case, the pickpockets will be trolls. I seriously fear for the future of bukkit, with this kind of stink
hanging around. Devs are nervous. Server owners are confused, and annoyed.

And Bukkit.Dev is still an order of magnitude less useful than plugins.bukkit.org.
More importantly, it is now well known that Plugin uploads are not heuristically scanned for malware.
This last problem is a real achilles heel for Bukkit. If nasty people were to abuse it, I doubt they could recover.
(The legal repercussions would last for years, and chew up all the available resources).

I hope this doesn't go as far as rogue teams forking Bukkit, but one thing I'm sure of:
The law of unintended consequences will apply.

Best of luck to you Drakia. I'll keep using your plugins.

Mr Inscrutable (old enough to know better :P)

{PS: I think he's hoping Dinnerbone will take up Stargate again. I highly doubt it. Nathan's too busy}
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby ZeroPoke » October 28th, 2011, 5:36 pm

Dinnerbone gave it away. He said he didnt want to do it anymore if I remember right.

If you read these forums TOS it says that pree much too xD its standard TOS. Its really about how everything is run but the site's staff.

Im on the other side of the boat I want another team to fork Bukkit. Personally I already thing its past that point.

What I want is Spout to fork it.
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Drakia » October 28th, 2011, 5:38 pm

Inscrutable wrote:Hi folks.

Around an hour ago, Bukkit's ph33rless leader Warren posted onto all of Drakia's plugin threads and locked them.
Apparently he doesn't like people posting (unspecified content) that allegedly "helps get around a ban".

I have read the Bukkit Terms-Of-Service. They are astonishingly vague, and couched in terms of "whatever we do, live with it".
Apparently they really give carte-blanche to Admins, and the rest of us can just shut up.
I wish they had the courage and intelligence to write a more serviceable TOS.

I really can't understand why Seph is such a control freak at present. He does not have the time for this,
and he's NOT a good site Admin (I know what one does look like, I've been on the net >20 years).
This is the equivalent of a Public Beheading. It attracts the WORST kind of spectator, and also pickpockets.
In this case, the pickpockets will be trolls. I seriously fear for the future of bukkit, with this kind of stink
hanging around. Devs are nervous. Server owners are confused, and annoyed.

And Bukkit.Dev is still an order of magnitude less useful than plugins.bukkit.org.
More importantly, it is now well known that Plugin uploads are not heuristically scanned for malware.
This last problem is a real achilles heel for Bukkit. If nasty people were to abuse it, I doubt they could recover.
(The legal repercussions would last for years, and chew up all the available resources).

I hope this doesn't go as far as rogue teams forking Bukkit, but one thing I'm sure of:
The law of unintended consequences will apply.

Best of luck to you Drakia. I'll keep using your plugins.

Mr Inscrutable (old enough to know better :P)

{PS: I think he's hoping Dinnerbone will take up Stargate again. I highly doubt it. Nathan's too busy}

Haha, thanks for the well wishes :) I really don't know what has crawled up EvilSeph's nether regions, but it seems to be mighty uncomfortable ;) I agree with you that he is NOT the type of person who should be running a community (Not saying I'm any better a leader, I'll most likely end up looking for some mods/admins if this community ends up getting popular at all, I'm not the best at being a face :) )
The content that "helps get around a ban" was literally a link to this forum by the owner of the server I work for, how that helped me get around a ban I do not know.
It's actually kind of funny, he claims my plugins "are not originally his. It is now up to the original author what will happen". The only plugin I have written BASED on code from another person is Stargate, and this is the code diff between Dinnerbones version and mine: http://i.imgur.com/J37d7.png
There's barely any of his code left. Every other plugin, though some are based on ideas from other people/plugins, are entirely coded by me from the ground up. Saying these are not mine is equivalent to saying Bukkit is not EvilSephs, it's Hey0's.

I did not know there was a virus upload to BukkitDev, I knew they didn't check the contents of plugins, but I didn't know somebody had managed to get something so malicious up, that's pretty bad. In regards to "I hope this doesn't go as far as rogue teams forking Bukkit" I really hope it DOES lead to a fork, a new project run by somebody who can actually handle a community, because at the moment the current Bukkit team can't do that, they aren't capable of handling the size their community has become, and when this was brought up months ago, users were called idiots for even questioning their abilities. I think the sellout to Curse/push to BukkitDev is what's going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to say.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Inscrutable » October 28th, 2011, 5:56 pm

Glad I could cheer you up. :D

Actually, just before this all blew up, I was gonna suggest M1sterMan as a mod for Bukkit. HE actually knows his shizz,
and he has a thick skin and a lot of experience. And a sense of humour. Unlike most of the incumbent glad-handing yes-men.

If you need a hand maintaining a forum, I'll volunteer, My Yggdrasyl server forum is almost dead now anyway...

As for the "Content getting around a ban".... that may bite MsI in the ass: she just put the link in her sig an hour ago.
And she has a post on the Recent Announcements page, so lots of folk should see it while it lasts...

I bet dinnerbone got flagged by that post from Seph, looked up and said "WTF?!"

As for virus content, none posted yet that I know of. Sorry if that was misleading.
But folks like puckerpluck (MultiInv Dev) are adding caveats warning that Bukkit don't look at the uploaded file,
just the meta-information. I think it's pretty widely known (I have to add, if they do put some scanning into it,
it'll have to stay opaque under-the-hood to prevent clever bastards from systematically circumventing it).

Curse: Screw them. They're a for-profit commercial hosting monolith without enough staff or brains.
And the rancid commercialism of "Author points" (see Bukkit Dev, then puke) is like icing on a turd.
They made major asses of themselves with the MC-Forums revamp, and I had no expectation that they
could or would make bukkit better. Hell, it *still* falls over daily, even with regular downtime.
But now we see why their content-hosting TOS is so wacky: So they can still host your plugin after
you get banned by a **********. (fill in blanks to own satisfaction).

Sorry I can't help with forking, I'm still a Java noob. But I'd whiz on a sparkplug if I thought it would help.
(That's a reference that Afforess would get, but Seph would not, BTW)
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Drakia » October 28th, 2011, 6:04 pm

Inscrutable wrote:As for the "Content getting around a ban".... that may bite MsI in the ass: she just put the link in her sig an hour ago.
And she has a post on the Recent Announcements page, so lots of folk should see it while it lasts...

I saw that (She sent me a PM on my current main alt). I'm hoping it doesn't get her banned/in trouble, and would feel kind of bad if it did.
Allowing Curse to host BukkitDev is one of the worst things Bukkit decided to do.
EvilSeph has been trying to slander me on numerous fronts on the Bukkit forums, I don't know if the post is still around but he was implying that I've been disagreeing with his staff since my pull request for Inventory events was denied (One of the starting factors of BukkitContrib/Spout if I'm not mistaken). Problem is he doesn't seem to realize "Correlation does not imply causation," yes that is around when I started disagreeing with their decisions, but it's not the cause, it just so happened to be when their communication went down the crapper.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby MsInscrutable » October 28th, 2011, 6:41 pm

I don't know how to code, but I do know how to behave myself on teh internetz. EvilSeph knows how to code, but apparently never bothered to learn how to behave...

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby ZeroPoke » October 28th, 2011, 6:51 pm

Well your both one upping me
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Darkone003 » October 28th, 2011, 8:41 pm

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Wow. :s

Edit: Oops I should have cropped that better.

Edit 2: In case it's not clear from the picture they censored your website, which means the download links won't even work anymore.

Edit 3: Hah, I stopped being so lazy and cropped it better! :)
Last edited by Darkone003 on October 29th, 2011, 12:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Inscrutable » October 28th, 2011, 10:20 pm

That power junkie also munged the link in MsI's sig too, changed ONE letter: it now reads forum.thedjtl.net.
As she hasn't even been cautioned or given an infraction, this is truly pathetic.

Actually, the Stargate post now violates their TOS. It is misleading others: The post was last Edited by EvilSeph TODAY.

BTW, in case one of EvilSeph's flunkies or socks is reading (probably inevitable):
Get a life. You appear obsessed and vengeful, and this is destroying your reputation and your forum.
Get over yourself, and appoint someone experienced at arms-length. I'd prefer you stuck to modding.
This thin-skinned payback stuff and your rude moderators will attract the wrong sort of crowd.
I expected a lot better of Bukkit admin, live up to your own words and set a better standard.
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby MsInscrutable » October 28th, 2011, 10:29 pm

Yup, sig is munged. Changed it, it changes back to google link. Changed it again, back to google link.
Am seriously considering putting link to curse complaints department in its place...
Or maybe just I should just put a link to EvilSephs Profile?

Edit: Oh dear, Bukkit forum seems to be down again...

Is this their unannounced regular downtime, or have they fallen over again?

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Jeyge » October 28th, 2011, 11:32 pm

MsInscrutable wrote:--snip--
Edit: Oh dear, Bukkit forum seems to be down again...

Is this their unannounced regular downtime, or have they fallen over again?

Yep, that would be their scheduled downtime scheduled during prime time for a lot of people because the server is hosted in GMT time. That was such a strange statement when they made it.

As for other things, did you see our favorite Mod used the Jump to Conclusions mat incorrectly again? Take a look here - http://forums.bukkit.org/posts/770726/.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Drakia » October 29th, 2011, 12:18 am

Jeyge wrote:Yep, that would be their scheduled downtime scheduled during prime time for a lot of people because the server is hosted in GMT time. That was such a strange statement when they made it.

Funny thing, they shouldn't HAVE downtime, the proper way to do a backup on such a large scale is run a slave MySQL server, take IT down and back up, start it back up, it syncs, no downtime required. It's a shame their staff are incompetent :(

Also I can't believe they are literally censoring my website, that is beyond childish and pathetic. They must have some serious doubts about their own ability if a plugin support forum scares them.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Drakia » October 29th, 2011, 12:34 am

Get in while it's hot and still around: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/blatan ... hip.43450/

The post text, incase anybody is brave enough to re-post if it's removed:
The Bukkit team has not only banned the account "Drakia", and locked all of the posts by "Drakia" strictly for people trying to offer an alternate avenue of support for his plugins, they have also decided that all references to "thedgtl.net" should be censored to "google.com".
This is a sad sad day, the Bukkit admins are so scared of a plugin dev and his ability to undermine them that they not only remove him from the community, they completely block his users from getting help?
What happened to this community? It used to be a thriving project, a great forum, they try to blame "Drakia" for the problems, but the real problem is them, they shouldn't be in charge of a community of this size.

They are not "Improving the quality of the community" as they claim, they are making it worse, they are making it a place many people don't feel welcome or comfortable.

If you want to see an example of this blatant censorship, just look at the Stargate topic, in Drakia's signature: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/un...1 ... 1317.3927/


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Took 16 minutes for them to remove it. Funny, they can remove a completely legitimate post faster than they can approve plugins, imagine that.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Darkone003 » October 29th, 2011, 1:31 am

Drakia wrote:[Edit]
Took 16 minutes for them to remove it. Funny, they can remove a completely legitimate post faster than they can approve plugins, imagine that.


And yet I'm somehow not surprised in the least. Based off of the little temper tantrum he threw and the fact that they went as far as to censor your website suggests you did something to really piss him off, though looking through your post history I have no idea what that would have been, you've definitively been an annoyance but that's no reason to ban you and act the way he did, especially since (most) of your posts were constructive.

I suspect even the most well thought out and insult free post will be removed on sight if it mentions Drakia or the censorship. Probably best to post anything like that during peak hours when the most people are on. ;)
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby MsInscrutable » October 29th, 2011, 2:14 am

If EvilSeph ever bothers to check his MCF Bukkit thread in Servermods Section, he will find me waiting for his response.
If he tries to chuck a hissy fit there, he will find out what it is like to be a humble site user on a forum with better moderators than himself.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby ZeroPoke » October 29th, 2011, 2:29 am

they deleted all my posts just telling people to hit up this site for support xD
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Darkone003 » October 29th, 2011, 11:54 am

:)

No ones going to see that but oh well, atleast I finally got to put my opinion somewhere. Speaking of which someone should probably post about this site on the official forums, make a plugin thread there or something in custom server software.
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Drakia » October 29th, 2011, 12:05 pm

Darkone003 wrote::)

No ones going to see that but oh well, atleast I finally got to put my opinion somewhere. Speaking of which someone should probably post about this site on the official forums, make a plugin thread there or something in custom server software.

The way I see it, the more people we get this message to, the better. The Bukkit staff are doing themselves in at this point.

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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby ZeroPoke » October 29th, 2011, 3:50 pm

Maybe we should be pushing this to a new plugin repo so to say. I know you dont want to drake but we might be able to actually do it.
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Re: News Update: EvilSeph's latest Tanty

Postby Drakia » October 29th, 2011, 3:59 pm

ZeroPoke wrote:Maybe we should be pushing this to a new plugin repo so to say. I know you dont want to drake but we might be able to actually do it.

I don't have nearly enough time to run something like that...

I did however just find that the source code for the phpBB Customization Database (http://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/modif ... om=submenu) is open source... To me, that was ALL that Bukkit needed to add, something exactly like that, and people would have been set.

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